Posts Tagged ‘Elfriede Jelinek’

寫政治詩歌 Poetry politics, Greater Austria and Greater China

九月 8, 2016

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寫政治詩歌

維馬丁

瑞士蘇黎世新報編輯說可惜他的報紙不再關心文藝,只關心輿論一類的,所以書評很少了,也不再登詩歌。就是近半年的變革。我覺得廖亦武和赫塔·米勒(Herta Müller)等等應該很適合這樣的氣氛。關心輿論應該是關心政治。廖亦武從八九年以后不能不激烈關心, 米勒從小也許也是跟廖亦武一樣終不能脫掉政治。二十一世紀得了諾貝爾德語女作家有兩位,除了米勒第二位是奧地利女作家耶利內克 Elfriede Jelinek,她也一直非常關心政治,而且也寫詩,非常好的詩,雖然寫的非常不同。米勒的詩歌是實驗性的,耶利內克寫話劇和小說用的語言是非常實驗性的。在台灣說葉利尼克,在台灣一直有人研究和翻譯她。大陸和台灣很多方面非常不同,在台灣關心政治很多就是左派,像一九三十四十年代中國詩人艾青,雖然現在台灣關心政治就是先關心台灣,其他都不能先注意它。而在大陸當代的先鋒詩歌從六十年代到現在都有地下的成分。需要獨立,需要脫掉主流社會的政治口號心態。其實我覺得詩歌,就是活性的、跟當代社會有直接關系的詩歌無論在哪裡都有地下的成分。艾青在1979年寫柏林牆就直接否定柏林牆,不管什麼左派歷史問題等等,至少從表面說好像不管。

做藝術都需要獨立的心態,一 直關心政治怎麼寫詩?不過有的人可以。布萊希特 (Brecht),還有傅立特(Erich Fried), 廖亦武2015年秋天來維也納就是參加傅立特文學節。台灣詩人鴻鴻翻譯了傅立特的詩,尤其是叫做《暴利》一首(Die Gewalt),鴻鴻在2014年三月十八在台北參加占领立法院的事件就引用這首詩。傅立特是奧地利人,還有一位著名的二十世紀奧地利詩人楊豆(Ernst Jandl) 也非常關心政治,寫得很成功。楊豆很有幽默的成分,雖然大部分作品不一定讓你笑。我翻譯伊沙就經常想到楊豆。昨天轉給一位瑞典的女博士生的這兩年廖亦武的詩歌,就重新碰到很多我這幾年關心的事情和詩歌。劉霞最好的詩歌就是2013年錄像裡的兩首一類的,像《無題》那顆樹。獨立的,不直接說什麼政治,但也許說得很直接,不能再直接。我在2011年左右那時候想讓奧地利的中國朋友翻譯米勒的詩,雖然他多半不寫新詩,寫古體詩,但是我給他解釋德語他可以翻譯成中文新詩。也許很荒謬的念頭,最后沒成功。我那時候覺得是流亡詩人貝嶺的錯,因為一直不管詩歌,從不願意給意見,只關心書怎麼出版,在台灣的小出版社。硬不關心文本。

有很多人在文學方面很喜歡只關心文本,偶爾才關心社會政治問題。我好像從來從骨子裡感覺到詩歌文藝,尤其是多語言的、跨越世界各地的文藝是革命性的,雖然革命這詞匯一直就非常可疑,魯迅AQ關心革命等等。我自己在中學時候被楊豆的詩歌振醒,這詩歌其實有很具體的奧地利和德國當代歷史內容,但他主要是實驗性的。實驗 性是它的革命性。而且是跨越語言、跨越時代的獨一無二的怪詩。把華茲華斯(William Wordsworth)的一首著名的浪漫感情詩歌說翻譯它的『表面』,其實好像只翻譯聲音,找從聲音很相似的德語詞匯就好像用德語念出英語的原文。就像奧巴馬這個中文詞匯只管聲音,跟奧巴馬三個字其他內容和用處沒關系。但其實楊豆那首詩有具體的當代歷史政治內容。只是我最早聽到就是它的荒謬,是兩三個中學生自己發現的東西,在語文課等等那時候肯定不能碰到。就是一種爵士音樂的東西。這是我寫詩的根本。關心詩歌、翻譯詩歌等等都來自於這種經驗。

菩提本无樹,明镜亦非台。十七歲左右碰到了坛經。然後開始學中文。

KLAVIERSPIELERINNEN – 沈浩波

五月 7, 2014

Shen Haobo Klavierspielerin

Shen Haobo

IN JEDEM GEBÄUDE GIBT ES EINE KLAVIERSPIELERIN

in jedem gebäude

gibt es eine

klavierspielerin

ich habe nie

auch nur eine von ihnen gesehen

die klavierspielerinnen

kommen nie

in die sonne

bis viele jahre später

eines tages

die melodie plötzlich aufhört

dann erst bemerk ich

das eingestürzte gebäude

ich grab durch die trümmer

und seh einen finger

einen durchsichtigen finger

damit hab ich gerechnet

ich umarme meine liebe

und zieh sie hinaus

ich küsse ihr weißes haar

und ihr faltiges gesicht

2009-01-31

Übersetzt von MW im Mai 2014

Shen Haobo

IN EVERY BUILDING THERE IS A GIRL WHO PLAYS THE PIANO

in every building

there is a girl

who plays the piano

I’ve never seen

any one of these girls

they play their piano

and they never come

out into the sun

until many years later

one day

a piano tune suddenly stops

and I realize

the building has fallen

I am hauling the rubble

there is a finger

a translucent finger

just like I imagined

I am holding my love

dragging her out

I kiss her white hair

and her wrinkled face

2009-01-31

Tr. MW, May 2014

Dieses Leben: 今生:Erinnerung & Liebe 愛和記憶

十一月 3, 2012

It was great. Lai Hsiangyin 賴香吟 read part of her story about a member of a former underground movement who has to confront his own weakness when his divorced wife needs his attention. I read Julia Buddeberg’s translation. Chen Kohua 陳克華 read three poems. First came Nothing 無, very Buddhist. Then a couple of last things. The last café 最後的咖啡館. The last motel 最後的汽車旅館. Very Taiwanese kind of motel dive. Secrete details, medical details, scientific details included in all three poems. Questions and answers. Audience members asked a few questions, and we had an interesting discussion. How and why did Ms. Lai write the story? What comes first, life or politics? And so on. Students, immigrants, veterans maybe, of Taiwan politics. Chinese Studies, East Asian Studies Institute, Vienna University 維也納大學東亞文化系. Austrian PEN. Two days in Vienna. Two nights. 維也納卌八小時左右。Arriving, getting lost on the airport. Translator’s fault. Translator’s idea, the whole thing. Not lucrative. I am sorry. Not smooth. Interesting, yes. Freezing. Exhausting. Fun. Fruitful, hopefully. Thanks very much! To the organizers. Thank you! Everyone who helped us. But above all 賴香吟、陳克華多謝!辛苦你們!Liebe. Liebe und Erinnerung. 愛和記憶。Love and memory. 賴香吟小說的主要題材。維也納很適合你們。柏林也是。柏林比較像現在的台北,相當開放、國際化的。柏林非常重視記憶。維也納的過去其實比柏林可怕,因為沒有柏林那麼公開的重視記憶。

So we had Q&A. Then the encore. We had Vienna in the café, in my translation. Apocalypse. Pouring coffee, to the last. Tabori. Hitler and Freud. Is there a Freud statue? There is his private clinic. Oh well. Statues of Strauss, Beethoven. Vivaldi, very recent. With his orphan students, all girls. Musicians, composers. When Aids broke out in Taiwan, the government forbade intercourse with foreigners. As well as doing it from behind. That’s how Chen Kohua thought of the poem. As a medical man. And risk group member. No intercourse with foreigners, no sex from behind, and we’ll be fine. Right. That’s where the quotation marks in the title come from. Freud and Jelinek. Dreams of Vienna. Love and memory.

陳克華
今生

我清楚看見你由前生向我走近
走入我的來世
再走入來世的來世

可是我只有現在。每當我
無夢地醒來
便擔心要永久地錯過
錯過你,啊–

我想走回到錯誤發生的那一瞬
將畫面停格
讓時間靜止:
你永遠是起身離去的姿勢。
我永遠伸手向你。

1985

Chen Kohua
DIESES LEBEN

Du näherst dich aus meinem früheren Leben.
Ich seh’ dich ganz klar, du gehst in meine Zukunft.
In die Zukunft der Zukunft.

Aber ich hab’ nur die Gegenwart. Wenn ich
traumlos aufwache,
hab’ ich jedesmal die Sorge,
dass ich dich verpasse, für immer —

Ich möchte zurück in den Augenblick des Fehlers,
den Film anhalten,
die Zeit und das Bild:
Für immer stehst du auf, um zu gehen.
Ich streck’ dabei die Arme aus.

1985
Übersetzt von Martin Winter im November 2012

so

六月 2, 2011

so (children’s day)

it is children’s day today
so i’m very very tired
as i’ve been for many years
so i don’t appear so often
so i’m very very late
so i’m here like anyone
so we’re doing what we can
so i’ll have another birthday
so we’ve china to remember
so we’ve 1989
so we’re doing what we can

MW June 1st, 2011

Maia & Leo

Literature Nobel winner Elfriede Jelinek on Liu Xiaobo and the new biography now out in German

十二月 10, 2010

This is a book about an absent person, who is held in prison; who has won a Nobel Peace prize and is not allowed to collect it: Liu Xiaobo. His old friend Bei Ling writes about him. He draws a many-faceted picture – only a knowledgeable friend can do that. This book is concerned with manifestos, petitions, political actions, but also with self-doubt and guilt, stubbornness and ambition. The author Bei Ling, who was imprisoned himself before, sees his duty in painting a complicated picture of this civil rights activist, with many different shades and colors. Bei Ling knows that he can see Liu Xiaobo only from one side, he can only portray him in profile, not from the front. But even if it is only part of a bigger picture, this part shows us a whole cosmos of courage and repression, of labor camps and life outside watched by security agents, like the life that the wife of this civil rights activist is forced to lead. This book offers a lot of information, but it doesn’t explain everything, because it wants you to keep asking questions. This is why I think everybody should read it.
Elfriede Jelinek, Tr. MW

Read more …

Liu Xiaobo biography published

My essay on Liu Xiaobo and the new biography

Translating the bio

Liu Xiaobo and 1984

Elfriede Jelinek with Bei Ling and translator Martin Winter in Munich


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